Talk:2011-06-13: Multiple versions of data

ACP WCS services -- Rhusar 14:27, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

Martin, Here are the items we said we'd point you to - the ACP Viewer and WCSes with satellite derived gaseous columns:

The last WCS is new to me - found it through uFind. Rudy can probably give background.

We look forward to your feedback and follow-on discussions on how well these services and their data meet your needs and any suggestions on how they might be made more useful. Stefan

Re: ACP WCS services -- Rhusar 14:40, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

Stefan, Are you sure CIRA is serving Tropospheric NO2? I only saw two coverages in the Capabilities doc, total column NO2 and total column O3. Chris

Re: Re: ACP WCS services -- Rhusar 14:46, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

Yes, but it's not listed in the GetCapabilities. The DataFed WCS is similar. They are set up as additional dimension fields. We'd need to have Rudy or Kari explain the details. You can see them when they are displayed in the DataFed browser.for example Stefan

Re: Re: Re: ACP WCS services -- Rhusar 14:48, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

This service uses WCS v1.1.2 where multiple fields can be included in one coverage. The following fields are served:
Colum Amount NO2 CS30
Colum Amount NO2 Troposphere CS30
CloudFraction
ColumnAmountO3
Wenli

Re: Re: Re: Re: ACP WCS services -- Rhusar 14:51, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

Wenli, Thanks for pointing out that we use WCS version 1.1.2. We find that Version 1.1 offers a natural mapping for data structures used in air qulaity:
Coverage >>> maps to >>> Dataset, i.e. a set of homogeneous observations that share space/time dimensions. It may be a specific model, obs network etc.
Field >>> maps to >>> Obs or model Parameter, i.e. AOT, ColumnNO2, SurfaceSo4 R

=Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ACP WCS services -- Rhusar 14:52, 13 June 2011 (MDT)=

Rudy, I agree. I think that the biggest improvement in v1.1 over v1.0 is its enablement of multi-field coverage, which is the common data model used in EO communities (e.g., netCDF and HDF data products). However, this version had not been widely implemented before OGC adopted a newer modular based specification design (and now a newer WCS2.0 spec is produced and is in testing phase). Wenli

Distinguishing OMI data at different servers -- CLynnes 10 June 2011 (MDT)

Rudy, How does a WCS client distinguish between the OMI data served from our WCS server and the data served from CIRA? That is, how would a universal client make a decision on which one to use? Or is there no distinction between the two? Chris

Re: Distinguishing OMI data at different servers -- MSchultz 10 June 2011 (MDT)

Hi Christopher, a very important point indeed! While we are technically still working on just bringing things together, I fully agree with you that traceability of data sets will be a key issue as soon as we "go live". We should make a great effort to avoid duplication of data sets and establish some sort of catalogue which data sets are hosted on which server. Also, we must discuss the metadata model(s) and how the tracing information can be honored by the server software. As an example take the granule versus global field products from a satellite: it may be that one site (say NASA) serves the granules, while another site (for example DataFed) will use these data and process it to global fields which can then be used to compare them with surface obs or model results. There should be a way to "click" on the global fields to find out that they are derived from those NASA granule sets. Also, there should be a way to communicate changes to the granules from NASA to DataFed so that the global product can be re-generated in case of version changes. This shall definitively be a topic for discussion at the Solta meeting! [Rudy: please add to the agenda] Best regards, Martin

Re: Distinguishing OMI data at different servers -- Rhusar 10 June 2011 (MDT)

Chris, The two OMI NO2 data versions differ in their Discovery Metadata, specifically having different Distributor....in uFIND. Of course, the service endpoints for the two NO2 data are different:
http://viper.cira.colostate.edu:8080/gsfc&coverage=ColumnAmountNO2&field=NO2Trop
http://data1.datafed.net:8080/ACDISC&coverage=OMNO2&field=NO2Trop
R

Re: Re: Distinguishing OMI data at different servers -- CLynnes 10 June 2011 (MDT)

Rudy,That means that we have 3 versions in the wild, not 2, if you include our GES DISC WCS server. Chris

Re: Re: Re: Distinguishing OMI data at different servers -- Rhusar 15:02, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

Yup, there are multiple OMI NO2 versions out there, each having different value-adding features of the service and mutations of the processed data. Is having different versions good or good or bad? It depends..what you want to do.. For research might as well get the data out to the science wilderness and let it mutate until it becomes robust enough to survive the tooth of time. Rudy

Re: Re: Re: Re: Distinguishing OMI data at different servers -- MSchultz 10 June 2011 (MDT)

Rudy, No - I strongly disagree here! This means that the choice of the dataset will in practice be determined by the wrong criteria (accessibility, data format, access speed, etc.) and not by the scientific robustness! There have been very tough discussions on data set quality in the GAW programme for example and just yesterday I learned about a nice project in Germany where dataset quality and a review process for "publication" of data are investigated. I strongly believe that any data set "out in the wild" should be traceable back to the originator and all modifications must be documented. Cheers, Martin

=Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Distinguishing OMI data at different servers -- GLeptukh 10 June 2011 (MDT)=

I fully agree with Martin here. The quality of the original data is not going to improve by mutating and mating the incorrect or versions of the data. Provenance or, at least, attribution is paramount. To look positively, we have reached the point when technology progress is pushing us to force not only providers and brokers, but also clients to deal with attribution. Thanks, Greg

Re: Re: Re: Re: Distinguishing OMI data at different servers -- CLynnes 10 June 2011 (MDT)

Rudy,Lately, we have been hearing a lot of concerns from both NASA HQ and our User Working Group about difficulty faced by users in determining whether a given dataset is the authoritative one. They particularly don't want to see a mutation being misinterpreted as, say, a NASA standard product. It may not be an issue in the AQ community, but the climate change community is a different story. Chris