Difference between revisions of "Interagency Data Stewardship/LifeCycle/Preservation Forum/TeleconNotes/20091110"
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| − | + | ===EP-TOMS plans (John Moses)=== | |
| − | + | John Moses discussed the EP-TOMS instrument mission which finished in 2006. The Goddard DIS has the data but a lot of the ancillary information is still held by the PI, Richard Peters. NASA needs to create the archive information packages that will be archived in the long-term. He would like to consult with the Cluster on how to create them, what should go in them, what the best practices NASA should follow are, etc. John would like to be able to post to the cluster and get feedback and advice as the project moves forward. What type of organization should it have? | |
| − | Ruth suggested that any material | + | Ruth suggested that any material be added to the Preservation Wiki pages. |
| − | He is working with Martha to create a broader DIS data plan and | + | He is working with Martha to create a broader DIS data plan and the EP-TOMES would be a template for that project. This is all part of a long-term NASA data preservation goal. They will continue to serve data to the community and any plan needs to be compatible with that. As instruments come to an end, they want to be able to work with the investigator to get the data archived. The question was asked if he was looking for consensus. He didn’t feel that he would expect given the different types of instruments. |
| − | The question was asked if he was looking for consensus. He didn’t feel that he would expect given the different types of instruments. | ||
He will be put on the agenda for the next telecon after he posts materials on the Wiki. | He will be put on the agenda for the next telecon after he posts materials on the Wiki. | ||
| − | + | ===Preparations for AGU town hall (Mark Parsons)=== | |
| − | The townhall is Thursday from 7:30 to 8:30. The | + | The townhall is Thursday from 7:30 to 8:30 pm. The title is "Peer-Reviewed Data Publication and Other Strategies to Sustain Verifiable Science." Bernard Minster will introduce the position statement and Bob and Ruth would discuss the Cluster’s activity. We want to be able to present the issues but have it available for public discussion. What other issues need to come forward? It is a formidable agenda for one hour. Talks should be kept to a minimum to have more of the time for conversations. Citation and Peer Review are the most important topics. The work of the cluster with identifiers is also important. |
| − | Bernard Minster | ||
| − | We want to be able to present the issues but have it available for public discussion. | ||
| − | What other issues need to come forward? It is a formidable agenda for one hour. Talks should be kept to a minimum | ||
| − | Citation and Peer Review are the most important topics. The work of the cluster with identifiers is also important. | ||
Rob raised the point of having a chart to show the identifiers. It is important that we have a way to show the different identifiers and how they are useful. | Rob raised the point of having a chart to show the identifiers. It is important that we have a way to show the different identifiers and how they are useful. | ||
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A desired outcome would be to get journals to become more rigorous in their review of the data sources. | A desired outcome would be to get journals to become more rigorous in their review of the data sources. | ||
| − | Citation is too strong a word. Peer review of data is very difficult to get. Maybe an | + | Citation is too strong a word. Peer review of data is very difficult to get. Maybe an acknowledgment of the source of the data would be a help if AGU could require this step. It is important that AGU sees the message from this town hall meeting. We need to be sure we have enough note takers to capture the meeting effectively. Possibly prepare some questions in advance. We need to provide enough background information so that the audience can effectively be part of the discussion. Because it is a new topic, it is expected that it will raise a lot of questions. Introduce the concepts and then have the questions for the participants. Be sure that they are very fundamental questions. |
| − | It is important that AGU sees the message from this | + | |
| − | + | Mark will follow up with Bernard to see what he thinks and to bring him up to speed. | |
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| − | We need to provide enough background information so that the audience can effectively be part of the discussion. Because it is a new topic, it is expected that it will raise a lot of questions. | + | ====Proposed Schedule==== |
| − | Introduce the concepts and then have the questions for the participants. Be sure that they are very fundamental questions. | + | |
| − | + | * Bernard Minster - Introduce the AGU position (5 min) | |
| − | + | * Ruth & Mark - Review State of the Art (10 min) | |
| − | + | ** Citation approaches | |
| − | + | ** Digital identifier concepts | |
| − | Outreach | + | * Mark - Raise questions and moderate (remainder of the session) |
| − | + | **Is is appropriate to cite data and if so how? | |
| − | Carol volunteered staff help in coordinating the | + | **Is it appropriate to peer review data and if so how? |
| − | What are the logistics of capturing the conversation? AGU does not do capture | + | **How should recognition for effort put into creating good data be recognized? |
| − | It is important to have a coordinated effort to capture the meeting with good | + | |
| + | ====Outreach==== | ||
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| + | There needs to be a concerted effort to get the word out about the sessions. It is a hope to at least get the informatics people to the session. Carol volunteered staff help in coordinating the publicizing of the session. There is also an informal informatics session which can be used to help spread the word. | ||
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| + | What are the logistics of capturing the conversation? AGU does not do capture town halls yet. They fall below the level of sessions. It is important to have a coordinated effort to capture the meeting with good note taking - there is the potential to develop an article for EOS. | ||
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If we need AV support we would have to pay for it. | If we need AV support we would have to pay for it. | ||
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| − | + | Mark and Ruth will work out what they will present. This will include the fundamental questions.. | |
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| + | Carol will print up the fliers and Mark will get them distributed hopefully in time for the informatics informal get together. | ||
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| + | ===Draft ESIP statement on data (Ruth)=== | ||
Whereas, data and data dissemination are central to the mission of the ESIP Federation, we adopt the following data policy. For Type I & II members, data shall be free and openly available except where prohibited by law or legal agreement. For Type III members, ...non-discriminatory basis. | Whereas, data and data dissemination are central to the mission of the ESIP Federation, we adopt the following data policy. For Type I & II members, data shall be free and openly available except where prohibited by law or legal agreement. For Type III members, ...non-discriminatory basis. | ||
| − | Ruth presented the draft ESIP statement on data created at the ESDWG meeting. The group that developed the statement felt that it was appropriate for the policy to follow the types. | + | |
| − | Ruth asked for comments. | + | Ruth presented the draft ESIP statement on data created at the ESDWG meeting. The group that developed the statement felt that it was appropriate for the policy to follow the types. Ruth asked for comments. |
| − | + | Mark noted that there will always be issues around privacy concerns, etc. so a blanket policy is very difficult. It is better to keep it simple rather than too complex since it is difficult to meet the needs of all of the Types. There is also a need to address metadata. It was felt that it would be better to distribute this by email and to solicit responses. | |
| − | It is better to keep it simple rather than too complex since it is difficult to meet the needs of all of the Types. | + | |
| − | There is also a need to address metadata. | + | ===Planning for winter ESIP meeting (Ruth)=== |
| − | It was felt that it would be better to distribute this by email and to solicit responses. | + | |
| − | + | The cluster has about half a day of sessions that will be ready to go. Chris Grier is coming and the joint NARA, LoC, and IGWDD session needs to be on the first afternoon. A panel with those people are very important. John had to leave the telecon early so there couldn’t be an update about NARA representation. | |
| − | The cluster has about half a day of sessions that will be ready to go. Chris Grier is coming and the | + | |
| − | There will be a face to face | + | There will be a face to face cluster meeting and the third session would be on the role of data stewardship in decision making. Ruth will send around some thoughts on email to solicit feedback. |
Meeting adjourned at 1:56 PM | Meeting adjourned at 1:56 PM | ||
Latest revision as of 17:17, November 10, 2009
Agenda
- EP-TOMS plans (John Moses)
- Preparations for AGU town hall (Mark Parsons)
- Draft ESIP statement on data (Ruth)
- Planning for winter ESIP meeting (Ruth)
- Others?
Attending
- Ruth Duerr
- Brian Rogan
- Curt Tilmes
- Irina Gerasimov
- Gao Chen
- Carol Meyer
- John Moses
- Rob Raskin
- Chris Lenhardt
- Mark Parsons
- Bob Downs
- John Scialdone
Summary
EP-TOMS plans (John Moses)
John Moses discussed the EP-TOMS instrument mission which finished in 2006. The Goddard DIS has the data but a lot of the ancillary information is still held by the PI, Richard Peters. NASA needs to create the archive information packages that will be archived in the long-term. He would like to consult with the Cluster on how to create them, what should go in them, what the best practices NASA should follow are, etc. John would like to be able to post to the cluster and get feedback and advice as the project moves forward. What type of organization should it have?
Ruth suggested that any material be added to the Preservation Wiki pages.
He is working with Martha to create a broader DIS data plan and the EP-TOMES would be a template for that project. This is all part of a long-term NASA data preservation goal. They will continue to serve data to the community and any plan needs to be compatible with that. As instruments come to an end, they want to be able to work with the investigator to get the data archived. The question was asked if he was looking for consensus. He didn’t feel that he would expect given the different types of instruments.
He will be put on the agenda for the next telecon after he posts materials on the Wiki.
Preparations for AGU town hall (Mark Parsons)
The townhall is Thursday from 7:30 to 8:30 pm. The title is "Peer-Reviewed Data Publication and Other Strategies to Sustain Verifiable Science." Bernard Minster will introduce the position statement and Bob and Ruth would discuss the Cluster’s activity. We want to be able to present the issues but have it available for public discussion. What other issues need to come forward? It is a formidable agenda for one hour. Talks should be kept to a minimum to have more of the time for conversations. Citation and Peer Review are the most important topics. The work of the cluster with identifiers is also important. Rob raised the point of having a chart to show the identifiers. It is important that we have a way to show the different identifiers and how they are useful.
A desired outcome would be to get journals to become more rigorous in their review of the data sources. Citation is too strong a word. Peer review of data is very difficult to get. Maybe an acknowledgment of the source of the data would be a help if AGU could require this step. It is important that AGU sees the message from this town hall meeting. We need to be sure we have enough note takers to capture the meeting effectively. Possibly prepare some questions in advance. We need to provide enough background information so that the audience can effectively be part of the discussion. Because it is a new topic, it is expected that it will raise a lot of questions. Introduce the concepts and then have the questions for the participants. Be sure that they are very fundamental questions.
Mark will follow up with Bernard to see what he thinks and to bring him up to speed.
Proposed Schedule
- Bernard Minster - Introduce the AGU position (5 min)
- Ruth & Mark - Review State of the Art (10 min)
- Citation approaches
- Digital identifier concepts
- Mark - Raise questions and moderate (remainder of the session)
- Is is appropriate to cite data and if so how?
- Is it appropriate to peer review data and if so how?
- How should recognition for effort put into creating good data be recognized?
Outreach
There needs to be a concerted effort to get the word out about the sessions. It is a hope to at least get the informatics people to the session. Carol volunteered staff help in coordinating the publicizing of the session. There is also an informal informatics session which can be used to help spread the word.
What are the logistics of capturing the conversation? AGU does not do capture town halls yet. They fall below the level of sessions. It is important to have a coordinated effort to capture the meeting with good note taking - there is the potential to develop an article for EOS.
If we need AV support we would have to pay for it.
Mark and Ruth will work out what they will present. This will include the fundamental questions..
Carol will print up the fliers and Mark will get them distributed hopefully in time for the informatics informal get together.
Draft ESIP statement on data (Ruth)
Whereas, data and data dissemination are central to the mission of the ESIP Federation, we adopt the following data policy. For Type I & II members, data shall be free and openly available except where prohibited by law or legal agreement. For Type III members, ...non-discriminatory basis.
Ruth presented the draft ESIP statement on data created at the ESDWG meeting. The group that developed the statement felt that it was appropriate for the policy to follow the types. Ruth asked for comments. Mark noted that there will always be issues around privacy concerns, etc. so a blanket policy is very difficult. It is better to keep it simple rather than too complex since it is difficult to meet the needs of all of the Types. There is also a need to address metadata. It was felt that it would be better to distribute this by email and to solicit responses.
Planning for winter ESIP meeting (Ruth)
The cluster has about half a day of sessions that will be ready to go. Chris Grier is coming and the joint NARA, LoC, and IGWDD session needs to be on the first afternoon. A panel with those people are very important. John had to leave the telecon early so there couldn’t be an update about NARA representation.
There will be a face to face cluster meeting and the third session would be on the role of data stewardship in decision making. Ruth will send around some thoughts on email to solicit feedback.
Meeting adjourned at 1:56 PM
