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* Tuesday, October 11, 2011. 4:00pm ET / 1:00pm PT
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* Tuesday, November 8, 2011. 4:00pm ET / 1:00pm PT
 
* WebEx Info:
 
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== Action Items ==
 
== Action Items ==
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* Hook: Send out a Doodle poll to coordinate testbed requirements telecon
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* Chris, Brian, Hook, Ruth: Send pressure points to Carol and Erin
  
 
== Attendees ==
 
== Attendees ==
 
* Chris Lynnes
 
* Chris Lynnes
* Christine White
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* Curt Tilmes
* Erin Robinson
 
* James Gallagher
 
* Bob Downs
 
 
* Eric Rozell
 
* Eric Rozell
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* Hook Hua
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* Carol Meyer
 
* Ken Keiser
 
* Ken Keiser
 
* Christine White
 
* Christine White
* Hook Hua
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* Jeff Mcwhirter
 
* Ruth Duerr
 
* Ruth Duerr
 
* Brian Wilson
 
* Brian Wilson
* Call-in User 6
 
* Call-in User 8
 
* Call-in User 9
 
== Notes ==
 
  
=== EarthCube white paper status and plan ===
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== Agenda ==
Since last month's Discovery and ESC telecons, there have been some new
 
information on the whitepaper posted:
 
http://earthcube.ning.com/profiles/blogs/announcement-please-post-your-whitepapers
 
  
Also, we can see the white papers submitted so far:
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# GeoPortal presentation from Christine White
http://earthcube.ning.com/page/background-reading
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# Debrief of EarthCube charette
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# Status of Winter Session planning
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# Next Steps for DCP-3
  
Hook had signed up to finished the governance section (just posted).
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== Notes ==
 
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=== GeoPortal presentation from Christine White ===
There is longer version:
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* Demo of other organizations that have implemented the Geoportal
http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Discovery_White_Paper#Governance_-_Hook
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* Is typically customized for each organizations
 
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* Some Organizations
And a shorter version:
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** Missouri
http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Discovery_White_Paper_Short#Technical_Governance
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** NOAA (NCDC)
 
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** EPA
==== Meeting Notes ====
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** NOAA (Interagency Working Group)
* Mark Parsons made major revisions (we weren't really following the charette call)
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** Lombardia
* Chris: are we ready to submit the whitepaper?
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** Abu Dhabi (localization capabilities)
** Hook: can look at others submissions on the EarthCube website, most other submissions were closer to 10 pages
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** Internat'l Neuroinformatics Coordinating Facility
** Bob made minor revisions this morning ("wordsmithing")
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* geoportal.sourceforge.net (open source disribution of Geoportal)
** Does the sign on statement mean you agree or made modifications, sign to larger or smaller?
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** Apache license
***  Signing means you agree, sign to smaller section
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* Out of the box functionality
** Should try to get the whitepaper in this week
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** Roles: anonymous (search), publishers (contribute services), administrators (reviews publishers contributions)
** ACTION ITEM: Ruth will submit whitepaper
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**  Getting "stuff" into the Geoportal
** What's the best way to submit?
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*** Create metadata manually (out of the box, DC, ISO 19115, other customizable metadata editors)
*** Create PDF or link to wiki?
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*** Upload metadata file
*** One person linked to Google Doc.
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*** Register resource on network (put a link to URL, ArcGIS, OAI, THREDDS, etc.)
** All minor changes should be made by 4 MST Wednesday Oct 12, 2011
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** Can you add additional types, such as OpenSearch?
* To sign the document: an asterisk (for bullet) and insert 4 tildas at the bottom of wiki page
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*** OpenSearch falls under the URL Protocol Type
* Who will present the whitepaper?
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** Can you differentiate the URL Protocols, e.g., DataCasting, ServiceCasting protocols
** The following cannot present: Chris, Ruth, Hook, Brian
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*** Would likely require changes to the back-end.
** The following may be attending: (Erin or Carol), Christine, Rahul
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** What about THREDDS?
* Where is the charrette?
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*** Getting NCIC metadata from the OPeNDAP endpoint
** Arlington
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** The Federated Search list allows the user to configure the sources used
 
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** You can also decide how often the Geoportal requests updates from service metadata
=== Plans for awarded Discovery Testbed implementation ===
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** You can only select up to five sources for federated search
 
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*** Limited for performance reasons with the Geoportal interface
==== Meeting Notes ====
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** Can you expose the query to Geoportal as OpenSearch?
 
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** The purpose of DataCasting and ServiceCasting is to avoid registration
* Discovery cluster submitted testbed to ESIP Products and Services committee
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* What is the role of a Geoportal testbed for the Discovery cluster?
** Awarded to ESRI, lead by Christine White
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* DataCasting and ServiceCasting are seeking aggregators for there casts.
 
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** Looking to "federate out" the capabilities with casting specs, not seeking a single registry
* What could ESRI do that would be useful for the ESIP Discovery Cluster?
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* Relies on aggregators to read the metadata, rather than filling out forms for metadata
** What are the goals?
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** Christine sees the need for OpenSearch based on this aggregator idea
** What are the success criteria?
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* Wrap-up for demo
 
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** Can we set up another telecon for defining requirements of testbeds?
* Christine can present status/progress at Winter Meeting
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** The main point is, can OpenSearch casting specs fit in the Geoportal.
 
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** Hook will set up a Doodle poll for Geoportal drill-down and requirements definition for testbed.
* Solicitation was about...
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*** We should revisit the RFP for the testbed in this meeting
** Testbed for interoperability testing
 
** Used for advertising ESIP community services
 
** Services to data broker (identifies services that are compatible with data) ("Icing on the cake")
 
 
 
* ESRI's response:
 
** Responded to 3 of the tasks, selected for task 2
 
** using open source GeoPortal server software as a base
 
*** can be extended/modified/etc. without concern
 
*** http://geoportal.sourceforge.net/
 
*** http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/geoportal/index.html
 
** Some of the RFP features are available out of the box (GeoRSS/Atom results)
 
** Development would be useful for orgs outside of ESIP
 
** the hours of the project will be billed for conversations with ESIP, development will be paid for by ESRI
 
** ESRI gets first-hand information/use cases for developing this data portal
 
** Cluster gets a useful testbed for advertising services/datasets, etc. for RFP
 
 
 
* What sort of impact should the RFP have on Discovery Cluster? What can be coordinated by ESRI?
 
** Anyone using GeoPortal automatically cast datasets?
 
*** All providers using GeoPortal can be aggregated using data casting standards.
 
** Is it possible to get "automatic" casting from GeoPortal?
 
** Ruth clarifies casting from GeoPortal.
 
 
 
* What is the best way for cluster to collaborate with ESRI?
 
** Ruth: NSIDC can talk to ESRI about what the GeoPortal should have (i.e., casting capabilities)
 
** Hook: what about the OpenSearch front-end, GeoPortal has uses OpenSearch...
 
** Chris: seeking a "standing" server where people can write and test OpenSearch clients
 
** Christine: GeoPortal can be used to register data and services, it can also be an endpoint for testing clients
 
** Chris: would the GeoPortal server respond to OpenSearch request
 
*** Christine: it should
 
** GeoPortal is not the interface at geoportal.org
 
** Hook: suggests a starting point - a place for community members to register OpenSearch services, casting services, etc.
 
*** GeoPortal can be used to register and search services
 
** Christine offered to give a demo of a "vanilla" GeoPortal server
 
*** '''This can be a topic of next month's telecon.'''
 
** Christine will coordinate with Hook and Brian to produce an interesting demo
 
 
 
* What is the timeline for the work?
 
** ESRI is flexible on the timeline (response was to have work completed within one year)
 
 
 
* What are the success criteria?
 
**
 
 
 
ESRI GeoPortal Source: [http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/geoportal/index.html]
 
 
 
=== ESIP 2012 Winter session planning ===
 
  
* What are the Discovery Cluster topics?
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=== Debrief of EarthCube charette ===
** One topic may be a recap of the charrette, joint breakout of discovery and ESC
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* Multiple ESIP attendees
** Basic planning meeting, to plan goals for the next six months
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* Process was wide open to start, with capabilities defined
*** Discuss plans for moving forward on the testbed
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* A full-day spent on barriers to implementing EarthCube capabilities
** Workshop/breakout for GeoPortal demo or progress report
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* NSF did not discuss how it would like to leverage the things it already funds (NEON, GEON, DataONE, IRIS, etc.)
** Need titles, main speakers, short abstract by next week for scheduling a winter meeting session
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* Those with large NSF positions will likely be the ones granted the EAGER grants
* Proposed Sessions
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* Significant amount of openness of collaboration
** a face-to-face meeting for wrapping up DCPs
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* ESIP got a lot of positive "play", from members rather than the core committees
*** New DCPs
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* ESIP has been invited to participate on EAGER proposals
**** DCP for error handling not discussed (but it is implied for OpenSearch to use HTTP error codes)
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* Likely to see the large systems argue that EarthCube should be built off of their existing systems
** Casting demos
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* NSF likely to fund 5 or 6 EAGER grants
*** The theme is collaboration, how can casting/discovery conventions support collaboration
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* Some groups planning on stringing proposals together
*** Ruth will be able to show next step beyond July demo (aggregating casts from distributed sources, making available to portal using OpenSearch)
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* Tim Killeen will be speaking at winter meeting, likely to leave NSF, no guarantee EarthCube will continue after Tim Killeen is gone
*** Need to focus on demos/use cases that align with collaboration theme
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* Are the EAGER grants part of a "down-select" for future EarthCube proposals?
** Part of planning session: What are the implications for discovery conventions in the ESC?
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* Other programs outside of EarthCube will probably be used to support EarthCube
*** How do we move forward on a more collaborative discovery cluster?
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* Any feedback or actions for Discovery/ESC from the whitepaper submissions?
*** How can the discovery services meet the requirements of the ESC? (joint-session with ESC)
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** Next step is to try to get on with EAGER proposal teams
* Winter meeting is shorter, so not as much time for demos/workshops
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** Alternatively, try to assemble a Discovery/ESC team that could be plugged into teams closer to NSF
* The ESRI demo/participation in Winter Meeting will be coordinated by the Discovery cluster
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* Is the outcome of the charrette available yet?
* ACTION ITEM: Submit the abstracts for the Winter Meeting sessions
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** Does not look like the two-pagers are posted yet
 +
** The capabilities list is posted
 +
* ESIP is trying to avoid competing with its members
 +
** The best thing for ESIP to do is to enable sharing/exchange of knowledge and technology towards a solution
 +
** ESIP will not be building something like EarthCube, rather bringing together members to build it
 +
* The charrettes seemed to be mostly self-serving
  
=== DCP-3 ===
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=== Status of Winter Session planning ===
[[Discovery_Change_Proposal-3]]
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* Put out the survey for Winter Sessions
 +
* Two clear topics stood out
 +
** Interoperability for OGC services
 +
** Interoperability for OpenSearch in various types of casting
 +
*** e.g., forming relations between casts
 +
* Will also probably need a planning session
 +
** Two sessions allotted for planning and breakout (1.5 hr ea)
 +
** Should we swap breakout and planning session?
 +
*** It could probably work either way
 +
* There is still room for more slots
 +
* Schedule Links:
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** http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/January_4,_2012
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** http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/January_5,_2012
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** http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/January_6,_2012
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* Conflicts
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** Data Preservation
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** ESC
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** Semantic Web demos
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* Brian is willing to run a session on OpenSearch interoperability for types of casting
 +
* Should the ESC charrette be updated to plenary status?
 +
* Suggestion:
 +
** swap breakout and planning session
 +
** in a less formal capacity, meet to continue breakout work during business meeting
 +
* Wait on changes for pressure points for 24 hours (may be axing a plenary)
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* Send potential changes and pressure points to Erin
  
* Is the Discovery cluster defining the "types" that are allowable?
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=== Next Steps for DCP-3 ===
** the convention should be totally open, no constraints on what values are used
 
* Using plurals to differentiate collections of data and services vs. individual services
 
** use "serviceCast" and "collectionCast" instead of "collections" and "services"
 
* Should differentiate between data available from FTP and data offered through OPeNDAP
 
* Anyone can add examples to the wiki
 
* What about structured metadata file?
 
** What's the metadata format (ISO would be an example)?
 
* Add example for OpenSearch Description Document (has its own mime/type)
 

Latest revision as of 15:16, November 8, 2011

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Action Items

  • Hook: Send out a Doodle poll to coordinate testbed requirements telecon
  • Chris, Brian, Hook, Ruth: Send pressure points to Carol and Erin

Attendees

  • Chris Lynnes
  • Curt Tilmes
  • Eric Rozell
  • Hook Hua
  • Carol Meyer
  • Ken Keiser
  • Christine White
  • Jeff Mcwhirter
  • Ruth Duerr
  • Brian Wilson

Agenda

  1. GeoPortal presentation from Christine White
  2. Debrief of EarthCube charette
  3. Status of Winter Session planning
  4. Next Steps for DCP-3

Notes

GeoPortal presentation from Christine White

  • Demo of other organizations that have implemented the Geoportal
  • Is typically customized for each organizations
  • Some Organizations
    • Missouri
    • NOAA (NCDC)
    • EPA
    • NOAA (Interagency Working Group)
    • Lombardia
    • Abu Dhabi (localization capabilities)
    • Internat'l Neuroinformatics Coordinating Facility
  • geoportal.sourceforge.net (open source disribution of Geoportal)
    • Apache license
  • Out of the box functionality
    • Roles: anonymous (search), publishers (contribute services), administrators (reviews publishers contributions)
    • Getting "stuff" into the Geoportal
      • Create metadata manually (out of the box, DC, ISO 19115, other customizable metadata editors)
      • Upload metadata file
      • Register resource on network (put a link to URL, ArcGIS, OAI, THREDDS, etc.)
    • Can you add additional types, such as OpenSearch?
      • OpenSearch falls under the URL Protocol Type
    • Can you differentiate the URL Protocols, e.g., DataCasting, ServiceCasting protocols
      • Would likely require changes to the back-end.
    • What about THREDDS?
      • Getting NCIC metadata from the OPeNDAP endpoint
    • The Federated Search list allows the user to configure the sources used
    • You can also decide how often the Geoportal requests updates from service metadata
    • You can only select up to five sources for federated search
      • Limited for performance reasons with the Geoportal interface
    • Can you expose the query to Geoportal as OpenSearch?
    • The purpose of DataCasting and ServiceCasting is to avoid registration
  • What is the role of a Geoportal testbed for the Discovery cluster?
  • DataCasting and ServiceCasting are seeking aggregators for there casts.
    • Looking to "federate out" the capabilities with casting specs, not seeking a single registry
  • Relies on aggregators to read the metadata, rather than filling out forms for metadata
    • Christine sees the need for OpenSearch based on this aggregator idea
  • Wrap-up for demo
    • Can we set up another telecon for defining requirements of testbeds?
    • The main point is, can OpenSearch casting specs fit in the Geoportal.
    • Hook will set up a Doodle poll for Geoportal drill-down and requirements definition for testbed.
      • We should revisit the RFP for the testbed in this meeting

Debrief of EarthCube charette

  • Multiple ESIP attendees
  • Process was wide open to start, with capabilities defined
  • A full-day spent on barriers to implementing EarthCube capabilities
  • NSF did not discuss how it would like to leverage the things it already funds (NEON, GEON, DataONE, IRIS, etc.)
  • Those with large NSF positions will likely be the ones granted the EAGER grants
  • Significant amount of openness of collaboration
  • ESIP got a lot of positive "play", from members rather than the core committees
  • ESIP has been invited to participate on EAGER proposals
  • Likely to see the large systems argue that EarthCube should be built off of their existing systems
  • NSF likely to fund 5 or 6 EAGER grants
  • Some groups planning on stringing proposals together
  • Tim Killeen will be speaking at winter meeting, likely to leave NSF, no guarantee EarthCube will continue after Tim Killeen is gone
  • Are the EAGER grants part of a "down-select" for future EarthCube proposals?
  • Other programs outside of EarthCube will probably be used to support EarthCube
  • Any feedback or actions for Discovery/ESC from the whitepaper submissions?
    • Next step is to try to get on with EAGER proposal teams
    • Alternatively, try to assemble a Discovery/ESC team that could be plugged into teams closer to NSF
  • Is the outcome of the charrette available yet?
    • Does not look like the two-pagers are posted yet
    • The capabilities list is posted
  • ESIP is trying to avoid competing with its members
    • The best thing for ESIP to do is to enable sharing/exchange of knowledge and technology towards a solution
    • ESIP will not be building something like EarthCube, rather bringing together members to build it
  • The charrettes seemed to be mostly self-serving

Status of Winter Session planning

  • Put out the survey for Winter Sessions
  • Two clear topics stood out
    • Interoperability for OGC services
    • Interoperability for OpenSearch in various types of casting
      • e.g., forming relations between casts
  • Will also probably need a planning session
    • Two sessions allotted for planning and breakout (1.5 hr ea)
    • Should we swap breakout and planning session?
      • It could probably work either way
  • There is still room for more slots
  • Schedule Links:
  • Conflicts
    • Data Preservation
    • ESC
    • Semantic Web demos
  • Brian is willing to run a session on OpenSearch interoperability for types of casting
  • Should the ESC charrette be updated to plenary status?
  • Suggestion:
    • swap breakout and planning session
    • in a less formal capacity, meet to continue breakout work during business meeting
  • Wait on changes for pressure points for 24 hours (may be axing a plenary)
  • Send potential changes and pressure points to Erin

Next Steps for DCP-3