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'''Dec 19, 2011 ESIP cloud computing cluster Telecon'''
 
'''Dec 19, 2011 ESIP cloud computing cluster Telecon'''
  
# Participants: Carl Meyer, Ken Keiser, Rich Martin, Thomas Huang, Phil Yang, Doug Nerbet, Qunying Huang Aigun Heo, Aijun Chen, Brand Niemann, Liping Di, Long phan, Jason Simmons, Chris Webber, Peter Cornillon, Upendra Dadi, Thomson Nguy (Amazon)
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# Participants: Carol Meyer, Ken Keiser, Rich Martin, Thomas Huang, Phil Yang, Doug Nebert, Qunying Huang, Aigun Heo, Aijun Chen, Brand Niemann, Liping Di, Long Phan, Jason Simmons, Chris Webber, Peter Cornillon, Upendra Dadi, Thomson Nguy(Amazon)
  
 
# Co-Chair: Thomas Huang, Rick Martin, Phil Yang
 
# Co-Chair: Thomas Huang, Rick Martin, Phil Yang
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'''Agenda'''
 
'''Agenda'''
  
# ESIP Winter Meeting Cloud Schedules (Thomas Huang)
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# ESIP Winter Meeting Cloud Computing Schedule (Thomas Huang)
 
# ESIP Cloud Computing Testbed (Phil Yang)
 
# ESIP Cloud Computing Testbed (Phil Yang)
# Amazon cloud computing presentation starts around 2pm (Rick Martin)
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# Amazon cloud computing presentation(Rick Martin)
  
  
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# Link for agenda:  http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Winter_2011_Agenda
 
# Link for agenda:  http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Winter_2011_Agenda
# Talks from JPL : nebula, Amazon
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# Mike Little will talk about SMD plan for cloud computing and relevant activities
# Talks from Nebula group: Nebula capabilities, architecture, open discussions for NASA cloud computing initiatives
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# Ames/Nebula: Talks from Nebula on capabilities, architecture, open discussions for NASA cloud computing initiatives
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# JPL will introduce their activities of using cloud computing
  
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ESIP Cloud Computing Testbed (Phil Yang)
  
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# Requirements for cloud comptuing testbed is evolving at (please feel free to update):
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http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Cloud_Computing_Testbed_Requirements
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# Discussed in the 2011 summer meeting: objectives, activities
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# More topics will be discussed in the winter meeting
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## The goal is to define the testbed, possible vendors either to buy a testbed or contribute a testbed environment
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## Carol and Phil talked with Microsoft for Azure
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## Thomas is looking for NASA cloud resources for NASA users
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## Rick is checking with other commercial providers
  
Winter meeting cloud session plan
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Amazon cloud computing presentation (Rick Martin, Thomson Nguy )
# Erin: Sessions introduction:  two in am, two in pm, different number of speakers, total 1.5 hours
 
# P&S Tasks and cloud computing, it is not focused on cloud but could be setup requirements for cloud computing, e.g., "create on demand virtual machines for ESIP." where do we deploy the machines. 
 
# Panel: NASA Cloud Computing, representatives from headquarter and centers
 
## Phil will contact to invite Mike L. from HQ and Thomas will be inviting speakers from JPL, Ames, etc.
 
# ESIP Cloud Computing Testbed
 
## Great interest from other clusters to have a testbed, several companies are contacted and we hope to have an outline, and presentation about what could this be and how we do.
 
## Defining goal, boundary, for commercial vendors, free would be great for ESIP, what vendors are providing?
 
## Emails discuss what should be included; assess use case for the testbed, what we want to get out of it?
 
## Evaluation: what the commercial services are provided for testbed
 
## Cloud as a test, whether it is suitable for supporting different tasks
 
## Using the cloud, where we will be going from cloud
 
## Compare the capabilities of different cloud vendors would be beneficial for the members
 
  
Webinar cloud presentations by companies.
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# Prensenter: Thomson Nguy (Amazon)
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# Topic: [http://wiki.esipfed.org/images/e/e1/2011-12-19_ESIP.pdf Overall of what is Amazon doing, AWS clients, security strategies]
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# Presentation Notes:
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## Infrasturcture as a service
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## Driving: on-demand easy to use, launch, turn off
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## Customer choice: a variety of flexible choices for user, OS, programming tools, applications
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## Flexible Pricing models: on-demand, elastic scale up and down, reserved instance or reserved fixed price, combination of price model , 50% saving price
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## More than 100 governments and institution client
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## Use cases: Mars exploration rovers, deep space network,carbon in the articic  reservoir vuluneratiblity experiment, lunar mapper
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## Mars Science Lab: fast motion field test- image processing in the cloud, massively parallel computations
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## European space agency: ESA centre for earth observations; data collected by satellites in s3; 50.000 users at peak 30TB at a time; scale up storage
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## Research and collaboration: Observable mdeical outcomes program(OMOP); Needed platform for cross-industry collaboration ; solution: OMOP use AWS for their research lab for providing a scientific computational platform for researchers; Benefits: avoided capital expense; flexibility to scale up and down based on computations demand and need; research tools can be shared with the extended community
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## Top 5 Pharma: dynamic molecular modeling;  large parallel problem; set up 30.000 cores –centos, 26.7 TB RAM, 2 PB disk space, HTTPs, ssh , 256-bit AES; supported software: condor(job management), chef (configuration management, Grill (cycle plugin for chef); speed and agility, $1.279 per hour, 3 hours batch job
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## Security: AWS certifications, sarbanes-oxley(SOX), SAS70 type II audit, pci data security standard company (Credit card) etc;
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## Security is a shared responsibility
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## AWS VPC Architecture
  
# 30 minutes for presentations from vendors talking about their accomplishments; Introduce their technologies, products.
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QA
# Nov monthly meeting: Rick will set up a presentation
 
# Topics of the presentations based on audiences
 
## What do we think, what we want to hear, e.g., developing or applications, communities;
 
## Amazon three sessions structure: 1) Decision-making, 2) Architecture,3) Solution session
 
## What the real/true costs for, processing I/O, storage?
 
## JPL : Big data in the cloud computing
 
  
A Cloud computing testbed for ESIP.
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# Licence
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## Thomson:Buy licensed virtual machines charged by hours
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## Doug: If you buy the agreement in advance, e.g, ESRI, you can use and install the vm without extra charge
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# How to select optimal options for VMs
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## Thomson:AWS provide the calculation model, but basically requires user to test and make decision
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# Charge:  any tools to monitor usage and costs
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## Create several accounts by IAM service
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## Credit card/GSA
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## CloudWatch service to monitor the usage
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# Computing units for cloud computing
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## Thomson: EC unit ,  ~ 1.0 -1.2 GHz
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# Storage indexing for massive data
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## S3,users bulid index;
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## EBS
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## Amazon has DB services, simple DB, could help mange massive data;
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# Customer back-up storage
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## Thomson: HSM, partners provide the tools for customizing the storage
  
# Identify some use cases: Start from the current activities to form a wishlist for the cloud computing
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Meeting Adjourned at 2:30 pm
# After people signed up for the cloud cluster email list, we can send out the email to ESIP members to fill in the wish lists
 
# Verify the requirements of the testbed activities for cloud computing, check how far we can go on the next telecon to decide a December telecon time
 
# Trial not for production, start out with free, looking at a number of providers to get free test resources
 
# Deploy your own, have many options so we won't be locked in, alert our potential users about the locked in problem, JPL is doing that with several vendors but having an internal one for itself.
 
# Provide information about when using different platforms for different types of applications in terms of price, computing capacity, etc. Government data may need security so to alert potential users.
 
# Summarize the discussion for a potential December monthly telecon
 
 
 
 
 
Activities outside biannual meeting.
 
# could we have data.gov type of services for ESIP members (Brand).
 
 
 
Meeting Adjourned at 2pm
 

Latest revision as of 21:47, January 22, 2012

Dec 19, 2011 ESIP cloud computing cluster Telecon

  1. Participants: Carol Meyer, Ken Keiser, Rich Martin, Thomas Huang, Phil Yang, Doug Nebert, Qunying Huang, Aigun Heo, Aijun Chen, Brand Niemann, Liping Di, Long Phan, Jason Simmons, Chris Webber, Peter Cornillon, Upendra Dadi, Thomson Nguy(Amazon)
  1. Co-Chair: Thomas Huang, Rick Martin, Phil Yang
  2. Supportor: Qunying Huang
  3. Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4493
  4. Attendee access code: 23133897#


Agenda

  1. ESIP Winter Meeting Cloud Computing Schedule (Thomas Huang)
  2. ESIP Cloud Computing Testbed (Phil Yang)
  3. Amazon cloud computing presentation(Rick Martin)


Note:


ESIP Winter Meeting Cloud Schedules (Thomas Huang)

  1. Link for agenda: http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Winter_2011_Agenda
  2. Mike Little will talk about SMD plan for cloud computing and relevant activities
  3. Ames/Nebula: Talks from Nebula on capabilities, architecture, open discussions for NASA cloud computing initiatives
  4. JPL will introduce their activities of using cloud computing

ESIP Cloud Computing Testbed (Phil Yang)

  1. Requirements for cloud comptuing testbed is evolving at (please feel free to update):

http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Cloud_Computing_Testbed_Requirements

  1. Discussed in the 2011 summer meeting: objectives, activities
  2. More topics will be discussed in the winter meeting
    1. The goal is to define the testbed, possible vendors either to buy a testbed or contribute a testbed environment
    2. Carol and Phil talked with Microsoft for Azure
    3. Thomas is looking for NASA cloud resources for NASA users
    4. Rick is checking with other commercial providers

Amazon cloud computing presentation (Rick Martin, Thomson Nguy )

  1. Prensenter: Thomson Nguy (Amazon)
  2. Topic: Overall of what is Amazon doing, AWS clients, security strategies
  3. Presentation Notes:
    1. Infrasturcture as a service
    2. Driving: on-demand easy to use, launch, turn off
    3. Customer choice: a variety of flexible choices for user, OS, programming tools, applications
    4. Flexible Pricing models: on-demand, elastic scale up and down, reserved instance or reserved fixed price, combination of price model , 50% saving price
    5. More than 100 governments and institution client
    6. Use cases: Mars exploration rovers, deep space network,carbon in the articic reservoir vuluneratiblity experiment, lunar mapper
    7. Mars Science Lab: fast motion field test- image processing in the cloud, massively parallel computations
    8. European space agency: ESA centre for earth observations; data collected by satellites in s3; 50.000 users at peak 30TB at a time; scale up storage
    9. Research and collaboration: Observable mdeical outcomes program(OMOP); Needed platform for cross-industry collaboration ; solution: OMOP use AWS for their research lab for providing a scientific computational platform for researchers; Benefits: avoided capital expense; flexibility to scale up and down based on computations demand and need; research tools can be shared with the extended community
    10. Top 5 Pharma: dynamic molecular modeling; large parallel problem; set up 30.000 cores –centos, 26.7 TB RAM, 2 PB disk space, HTTPs, ssh , 256-bit AES; supported software: condor(job management), chef (configuration management, Grill (cycle plugin for chef); speed and agility, $1.279 per hour, 3 hours batch job
    11. Security: AWS certifications, sarbanes-oxley(SOX), SAS70 type II audit, pci data security standard company (Credit card) etc;
    12. Security is a shared responsibility
    13. AWS VPC Architecture

QA

  1. Licence
    1. Thomson:Buy licensed virtual machines charged by hours
    2. Doug: If you buy the agreement in advance, e.g, ESRI, you can use and install the vm without extra charge
  2. How to select optimal options for VMs
    1. Thomson:AWS provide the calculation model, but basically requires user to test and make decision
  3. Charge: any tools to monitor usage and costs
    1. Create several accounts by IAM service
    2. Credit card/GSA
    3. CloudWatch service to monitor the usage
  4. Computing units for cloud computing
    1. Thomson: EC unit , ~ 1.0 -1.2 GHz
  5. Storage indexing for massive data
    1. S3,users bulid index;
    2. EBS
    3. Amazon has DB services, simple DB, could help mange massive data;
  6. Customer back-up storage
    1. Thomson: HSM, partners provide the tools for customizing the storage

Meeting Adjourned at 2:30 pm