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== Action Items == | == Action Items == | ||
+ | * Hook: Send out a Doodle poll to coordinate testbed requirements telecon | ||
+ | * Chris, Brian, Hook, Ruth: Send pressure points to Carol and Erin | ||
== Attendees == | == Attendees == | ||
+ | * Chris Lynnes | ||
+ | * Curt Tilmes | ||
+ | * Eric Rozell | ||
+ | * Hook Hua | ||
+ | * Carol Meyer | ||
+ | * Ken Keiser | ||
+ | * Christine White | ||
+ | * Jeff Mcwhirter | ||
+ | * Ruth Duerr | ||
+ | * Brian Wilson | ||
== Agenda == | == Agenda == | ||
+ | |||
+ | # GeoPortal presentation from Christine White | ||
+ | # Debrief of EarthCube charette | ||
+ | # Status of Winter Session planning | ||
+ | # Next Steps for DCP-3 | ||
== Notes == | == Notes == | ||
+ | === GeoPortal presentation from Christine White === | ||
+ | * Demo of other organizations that have implemented the Geoportal | ||
+ | * Is typically customized for each organizations | ||
+ | * Some Organizations | ||
+ | ** Missouri | ||
+ | ** NOAA (NCDC) | ||
+ | ** EPA | ||
+ | ** NOAA (Interagency Working Group) | ||
+ | ** Lombardia | ||
+ | ** Abu Dhabi (localization capabilities) | ||
+ | ** Internat'l Neuroinformatics Coordinating Facility | ||
+ | * geoportal.sourceforge.net (open source disribution of Geoportal) | ||
+ | ** Apache license | ||
+ | * Out of the box functionality | ||
+ | ** Roles: anonymous (search), publishers (contribute services), administrators (reviews publishers contributions) | ||
+ | ** Getting "stuff" into the Geoportal | ||
+ | *** Create metadata manually (out of the box, DC, ISO 19115, other customizable metadata editors) | ||
+ | *** Upload metadata file | ||
+ | *** Register resource on network (put a link to URL, ArcGIS, OAI, THREDDS, etc.) | ||
+ | ** Can you add additional types, such as OpenSearch? | ||
+ | *** OpenSearch falls under the URL Protocol Type | ||
+ | ** Can you differentiate the URL Protocols, e.g., DataCasting, ServiceCasting protocols | ||
+ | *** Would likely require changes to the back-end. | ||
+ | ** What about THREDDS? | ||
+ | *** Getting NCIC metadata from the OPeNDAP endpoint | ||
+ | ** The Federated Search list allows the user to configure the sources used | ||
+ | ** You can also decide how often the Geoportal requests updates from service metadata | ||
+ | ** You can only select up to five sources for federated search | ||
+ | *** Limited for performance reasons with the Geoportal interface | ||
+ | ** Can you expose the query to Geoportal as OpenSearch? | ||
+ | ** The purpose of DataCasting and ServiceCasting is to avoid registration | ||
+ | * What is the role of a Geoportal testbed for the Discovery cluster? | ||
+ | * DataCasting and ServiceCasting are seeking aggregators for there casts. | ||
+ | ** Looking to "federate out" the capabilities with casting specs, not seeking a single registry | ||
+ | * Relies on aggregators to read the metadata, rather than filling out forms for metadata | ||
+ | ** Christine sees the need for OpenSearch based on this aggregator idea | ||
+ | * Wrap-up for demo | ||
+ | ** Can we set up another telecon for defining requirements of testbeds? | ||
+ | ** The main point is, can OpenSearch casting specs fit in the Geoportal. | ||
+ | ** Hook will set up a Doodle poll for Geoportal drill-down and requirements definition for testbed. | ||
+ | *** We should revisit the RFP for the testbed in this meeting | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Debrief of EarthCube charette === | ||
+ | * Multiple ESIP attendees | ||
+ | * Process was wide open to start, with capabilities defined | ||
+ | * A full-day spent on barriers to implementing EarthCube capabilities | ||
+ | * NSF did not discuss how it would like to leverage the things it already funds (NEON, GEON, DataONE, IRIS, etc.) | ||
+ | * Those with large NSF positions will likely be the ones granted the EAGER grants | ||
+ | * Significant amount of openness of collaboration | ||
+ | * ESIP got a lot of positive "play", from members rather than the core committees | ||
+ | * ESIP has been invited to participate on EAGER proposals | ||
+ | * Likely to see the large systems argue that EarthCube should be built off of their existing systems | ||
+ | * NSF likely to fund 5 or 6 EAGER grants | ||
+ | * Some groups planning on stringing proposals together | ||
+ | * Tim Killeen will be speaking at winter meeting, likely to leave NSF, no guarantee EarthCube will continue after Tim Killeen is gone | ||
+ | * Are the EAGER grants part of a "down-select" for future EarthCube proposals? | ||
+ | * Other programs outside of EarthCube will probably be used to support EarthCube | ||
+ | * Any feedback or actions for Discovery/ESC from the whitepaper submissions? | ||
+ | ** Next step is to try to get on with EAGER proposal teams | ||
+ | ** Alternatively, try to assemble a Discovery/ESC team that could be plugged into teams closer to NSF | ||
+ | * Is the outcome of the charrette available yet? | ||
+ | ** Does not look like the two-pagers are posted yet | ||
+ | ** The capabilities list is posted | ||
+ | * ESIP is trying to avoid competing with its members | ||
+ | ** The best thing for ESIP to do is to enable sharing/exchange of knowledge and technology towards a solution | ||
+ | ** ESIP will not be building something like EarthCube, rather bringing together members to build it | ||
+ | * The charrettes seemed to be mostly self-serving | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Status of Winter Session planning === | ||
+ | * Put out the survey for Winter Sessions | ||
+ | * Two clear topics stood out | ||
+ | ** Interoperability for OGC services | ||
+ | ** Interoperability for OpenSearch in various types of casting | ||
+ | *** e.g., forming relations between casts | ||
+ | * Will also probably need a planning session | ||
+ | ** Two sessions allotted for planning and breakout (1.5 hr ea) | ||
+ | ** Should we swap breakout and planning session? | ||
+ | *** It could probably work either way | ||
+ | * There is still room for more slots | ||
+ | * Schedule Links: | ||
+ | ** http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/January_4,_2012 | ||
+ | ** http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/January_5,_2012 | ||
+ | ** http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/January_6,_2012 | ||
+ | * Conflicts | ||
+ | ** Data Preservation | ||
+ | ** ESC | ||
+ | ** Semantic Web demos | ||
+ | * Brian is willing to run a session on OpenSearch interoperability for types of casting | ||
+ | * Should the ESC charrette be updated to plenary status? | ||
+ | * Suggestion: | ||
+ | ** swap breakout and planning session | ||
+ | ** in a less formal capacity, meet to continue breakout work during business meeting | ||
+ | * Wait on changes for pressure points for 24 hours (may be axing a plenary) | ||
+ | * Send potential changes and pressure points to Erin | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Next Steps for DCP-3 === |
Latest revision as of 16:16, November 8, 2011
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Action Items
- Hook: Send out a Doodle poll to coordinate testbed requirements telecon
- Chris, Brian, Hook, Ruth: Send pressure points to Carol and Erin
Attendees
- Chris Lynnes
- Curt Tilmes
- Eric Rozell
- Hook Hua
- Carol Meyer
- Ken Keiser
- Christine White
- Jeff Mcwhirter
- Ruth Duerr
- Brian Wilson
Agenda
- GeoPortal presentation from Christine White
- Debrief of EarthCube charette
- Status of Winter Session planning
- Next Steps for DCP-3
Notes
GeoPortal presentation from Christine White
- Demo of other organizations that have implemented the Geoportal
- Is typically customized for each organizations
- Some Organizations
- Missouri
- NOAA (NCDC)
- EPA
- NOAA (Interagency Working Group)
- Lombardia
- Abu Dhabi (localization capabilities)
- Internat'l Neuroinformatics Coordinating Facility
- geoportal.sourceforge.net (open source disribution of Geoportal)
- Apache license
- Out of the box functionality
- Roles: anonymous (search), publishers (contribute services), administrators (reviews publishers contributions)
- Getting "stuff" into the Geoportal
- Create metadata manually (out of the box, DC, ISO 19115, other customizable metadata editors)
- Upload metadata file
- Register resource on network (put a link to URL, ArcGIS, OAI, THREDDS, etc.)
- Can you add additional types, such as OpenSearch?
- OpenSearch falls under the URL Protocol Type
- Can you differentiate the URL Protocols, e.g., DataCasting, ServiceCasting protocols
- Would likely require changes to the back-end.
- What about THREDDS?
- Getting NCIC metadata from the OPeNDAP endpoint
- The Federated Search list allows the user to configure the sources used
- You can also decide how often the Geoportal requests updates from service metadata
- You can only select up to five sources for federated search
- Limited for performance reasons with the Geoportal interface
- Can you expose the query to Geoportal as OpenSearch?
- The purpose of DataCasting and ServiceCasting is to avoid registration
- What is the role of a Geoportal testbed for the Discovery cluster?
- DataCasting and ServiceCasting are seeking aggregators for there casts.
- Looking to "federate out" the capabilities with casting specs, not seeking a single registry
- Relies on aggregators to read the metadata, rather than filling out forms for metadata
- Christine sees the need for OpenSearch based on this aggregator idea
- Wrap-up for demo
- Can we set up another telecon for defining requirements of testbeds?
- The main point is, can OpenSearch casting specs fit in the Geoportal.
- Hook will set up a Doodle poll for Geoportal drill-down and requirements definition for testbed.
- We should revisit the RFP for the testbed in this meeting
Debrief of EarthCube charette
- Multiple ESIP attendees
- Process was wide open to start, with capabilities defined
- A full-day spent on barriers to implementing EarthCube capabilities
- NSF did not discuss how it would like to leverage the things it already funds (NEON, GEON, DataONE, IRIS, etc.)
- Those with large NSF positions will likely be the ones granted the EAGER grants
- Significant amount of openness of collaboration
- ESIP got a lot of positive "play", from members rather than the core committees
- ESIP has been invited to participate on EAGER proposals
- Likely to see the large systems argue that EarthCube should be built off of their existing systems
- NSF likely to fund 5 or 6 EAGER grants
- Some groups planning on stringing proposals together
- Tim Killeen will be speaking at winter meeting, likely to leave NSF, no guarantee EarthCube will continue after Tim Killeen is gone
- Are the EAGER grants part of a "down-select" for future EarthCube proposals?
- Other programs outside of EarthCube will probably be used to support EarthCube
- Any feedback or actions for Discovery/ESC from the whitepaper submissions?
- Next step is to try to get on with EAGER proposal teams
- Alternatively, try to assemble a Discovery/ESC team that could be plugged into teams closer to NSF
- Is the outcome of the charrette available yet?
- Does not look like the two-pagers are posted yet
- The capabilities list is posted
- ESIP is trying to avoid competing with its members
- The best thing for ESIP to do is to enable sharing/exchange of knowledge and technology towards a solution
- ESIP will not be building something like EarthCube, rather bringing together members to build it
- The charrettes seemed to be mostly self-serving
Status of Winter Session planning
- Put out the survey for Winter Sessions
- Two clear topics stood out
- Interoperability for OGC services
- Interoperability for OpenSearch in various types of casting
- e.g., forming relations between casts
- Will also probably need a planning session
- Two sessions allotted for planning and breakout (1.5 hr ea)
- Should we swap breakout and planning session?
- It could probably work either way
- There is still room for more slots
- Schedule Links:
- Conflicts
- Data Preservation
- ESC
- Semantic Web demos
- Brian is willing to run a session on OpenSearch interoperability for types of casting
- Should the ESC charrette be updated to plenary status?
- Suggestion:
- swap breakout and planning session
- in a less formal capacity, meet to continue breakout work during business meeting
- Wait on changes for pressure points for 24 hours (may be axing a plenary)
- Send potential changes and pressure points to Erin